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ska2000  Basic Member
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Posted: April/24/2019 at 12:31pm |
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Let's see...a wicker seat woven by a skilled modeler out of actual wicker (  ) or a plastic seat made by a 3D printer (  )... Not a hard choice to make for me.
I understand your sentiment there, but you also have to admit that hammerd's seat has an excellent, museum quality look. You'd have to inspect with a strong magnifying glass to tell the difference. And every single piece of his BE2C is outstanding. I am in awe of you craftsmen and your ingenuity to replicate these aircraft in smaller scale with such high fidelity using a variety of techniques. No 2 modelers would build the aircraft in exactly the same way. In fact, the techniques and tricks and tools used would be wildly different. I think a common thread is that you "masters" all use all the tools and skills available to you to do the very best you can. And to we onlookers watching masters at work, the "very best you can" standard often results in pure art. I believe hammerd's model qualifies as pure art. It is absolutely museum quality.
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hammerd  Site Supporter
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Posted: April/24/2019 at 1:39pm |
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Ed, sent everything to Mike. He says he'll upload it.
I can send directly to you if you want to message me you're email addy.
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Posted: April/24/2019 at 2:50pm |
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Ed,
Gotta admit you’ve got good tastes. I’ve seen several pics of the Boeing Model 80 both in Stanovo & United as well as the Ford in American A/L colors. Insofar as R/C models go, I’ve seen only one model of the -80 & even then it was not complete to my knowledge. But the initial stages of the build strongly suggested United A/L colors. I’m sure the C.G. would be a challenge given the short nose & long tail moments. I’ve yet to see any model of the -80 done in Stanovo. The plane was owned by Standard Oil Co (Hence the abbreviation Stanovo). This (actually more than one I believe) plane was painted overall bright gloss red with gold trim & black outlines. That in itself would make for a stunning model both in the rarity of the aircraft being modeled as well as the choice of colors. This Stanovo a/c had heavy wheel spats & cowls. Still, I’d choose the United colors if for no other reason than all of those intricate outlines of trim. I’ve got incredible drawings of the Boeing from the San Diego Aerospace Museum if you’re interested. It includes inboard profiles, sectional views of both the wings & fuselage & so much more. In fact the Boeing is to be one of my modeling projects in the not-too-distant future. That was part of the reason why I was already collecting data.
The Ford? I thought about it using Evergreen’s corrugated plastic sheets & covering with a chrome film of sorts. I know the plastic sheeting would make the model somewhat heavy but that’s my initial approach. Again, collected data for this aircraft & did a walk-around detailed photo study. Between the two? I’d opt for the Boeing/United. Just my two scents....(ahem)
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Posted: April/24/2019 at 5:42pm |
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Gary,
Boeing's Model 80-A/80A-1/226 NC233M Stanavo is by far the most eye candy with which to compete.
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However I have more documentation and photos in support of replicating the United Air Lines 80A in the Seattle MOF. Though it more plain Jane, the amount of up close and personal museum images more than make up the difference in static value. Some would say Stanavo's scheme interferes with the details on the airframe.
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The United Air Lines is unique with respect to incorporating their logo into both freight and people carrying aircraft. Looking forward to getting the seat printed. Will probably make a silicone mold and do them in Alumilite to speed up the process up considering how long 12 of these would take to print. I must print a four legged base to merge with hammerd's wicker.
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And you wondered why they call it Love Field in Dallas.....
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Posted: April/24/2019 at 6:29pm |
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Those were the days just between Love Field,Dallas and Hobby in Houston. Flew that many times.
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Posted: April/24/2019 at 7:40pm |
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You'll notice no one is looking out the windows. There was also Braniff who led the way in development of the mega airport... DFW with its two pair of parallel runways...aka this brought about the entertaining landing and taking off of 4 aircraft simultaneously. 4 up then 4 down... .................................
And then there was the Concorde... Much smaller sitting at a jetway than it looked in the air. Ah yes, Alan is right...those were the days.
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Posted: April/24/2019 at 7:58pm |
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Quote: ska2000 I believe hammerd's model qualifies as pure art. It is absolutely museum quality.
I absolutely agree and have long admired every scale model that Hammerd crafts. Still, I do hate seeing 3D printed parts creeping into scale building as it seems (to me) like one more step towards turning our hobby into "plastic modeling." But I'll also be the first to admit that 3D printing requires its own skill set (that is completely beyond me) and is not effortless (unless you're just buying parts created by someone else).
I can also appreciate Ed's dilemma in that he needs 12 of these chairs. Anyway, we all end up picking and choosing how we want to expend our scale modeling efforts. My CI doesn't even have a pilot's seat of any kind because the pilot has no bum! 
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Posted: April/24/2019 at 9:03pm |
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Let's see...a wicker seat woven by a skilled modeler out of actual wicker (  ) or a plastic seat made by a 3D printer (  )... Not a hard choice to make for me.
If you've ever done any 3D modeling or printing you learn that it's another set of skills that only looks easy if you know what you're doing.
I never said it's easy. It's just not my preferred approach to scale modeling. To me it's purely a matter of "where's the fun" and for me (and speaking only for myself) creating 3D files of scale parts in CAD would not be fun.
The woven wicker seat linked to above (and again here) is modeling that really blows me away. Hammerd, just to be clear, there were hundreds of aspects of your BE2c build that were just as mind-blowing. 
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